If it's really true that their is a higher risk of getting and dying from these things, then why, while obesity is increasing, death from so-called obesity related diseases are decresing? I didn't go to the effort of trying to find a study... I couldn't figure out what kind of study to look for. Even statistics on death rates doesn't say too much... I mean, we're dying less from diseases that many obese people are supposed to have. But maybe that's more of a reflection on the medical community than on our weight. And how is a study going to distinguish overweight individuals that are most likely overweight due to medications or hereditary or glandular problems... before any health complications (heart disease, etc...) develop? And how is that study supposed to definitively say that these people came down with the disease due to their weight? I'm just not convinced it's possible to prove, without a doubt, that overweight individuals are more prone to disease just because they're overweight. I mean... you convinced me by asking me to find a study.
So, how is that person with a 1.8 or 2 ratio unhealthy if every medical indicator says shi isn't unhealthy? That's not what I meant. You asked which obesity I meant, and I've never used the BMI calculator seriously, so pre-1998 or post, I don't enter that into the picture.
What I meant by a waist to hip ratio was to give a clearer visual as to what I personally consider obese. And even then, it's only a visual description.
I mean, if I was on the fence about obesity being unhealthy before, you and moonvoice have convinced me that obesity is NOT health condition. Which is pretty fucking cool. :)
Maybe you don't realize how deep the popular culture's ideal has gotten into your mindset? You're probably right... although it's my own fault; I can't blame popular culture.
Here's a bit of my background: I worry about my father... he's probably "morbidly obese" and so he finds exercising and being too active really unpleasant. And his health suffers. :( I mean, the only obese person I know (face-to-face) without a health complication is my boyfriend... even my blood pressure has started a major incline since gaining a lot of weight.
I mean, now I can apply what I've learned and observe that it's not because of the weight gain - but most of it is probably due to lack of activity (others being food choices, genetics, and whatnot).
And... you know, before I bury my head further up my ass... I'm sorry. I just... I'm not a good person to debate with, and I'm not very comfortable continuing this thread.
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Re: Forgive my harshness part end
Date: 2008-06-22 04:09 pm (UTC)I didn't go to the effort of trying to find a study... I couldn't figure out what kind of study to look for. Even statistics on death rates doesn't say too much... I mean, we're dying less from diseases that many obese people are supposed to have. But maybe that's more of a reflection on the medical community than on our weight. And how is a study going to distinguish overweight individuals that are most likely overweight due to medications or hereditary or glandular problems... before any health complications (heart disease, etc...) develop? And how is that study supposed to definitively say that these people came down with the disease due to their weight? I'm just not convinced it's possible to prove, without a doubt, that overweight individuals are more prone to disease just because they're overweight. I mean... you convinced me by asking me to find a study.
So, how is that person with a 1.8 or 2 ratio unhealthy if every medical indicator says shi isn't unhealthy?
That's not what I meant. You asked which obesity I meant, and I've never used the BMI calculator seriously, so pre-1998 or post, I don't enter that into the picture.
What I meant by a waist to hip ratio was to give a clearer visual as to what I personally consider obese. And even then, it's only a visual description.
I mean, if I was on the fence about obesity being unhealthy before, you and
Maybe you don't realize how deep the popular culture's ideal has gotten into your mindset?
You're probably right... although it's my own fault; I can't blame popular culture.
Here's a bit of my background:
I worry about my father... he's probably "morbidly obese" and so he finds exercising and being too active really unpleasant. And his health suffers. :( I mean, the only obese person I know (face-to-face) without a health complication is my boyfriend... even my blood pressure has started a major incline since gaining a lot of weight.
I mean, now I can apply what I've learned and observe that it's not because of the weight gain - but most of it is probably due to lack of activity (others being food choices, genetics, and whatnot).
And... you know, before I bury my head further up my ass... I'm sorry. I just... I'm not a good person to debate with, and I'm not very comfortable continuing this thread.