don't think I'd ever argue that obesity caused these things, only that they increased the risk of developing
Can you show me one study, done with real people and NOT funded by the diet or anti-obesity industries, that shows this? I'll take even one. I can show you at least three that show it does not. Heck, I'll even give you this link from the National Center for Health Statistics (using information given by the Centers for Disease Control) that state that death rates DECREASED. Yes, even in our "obesity epidemic" where all the obese people are slated to die prematurely from "obese related illnesses", well, we're actually living longer as a species. That does mean even the obese people are (because it would really scew the statistics if obese people were dying pretty young). http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/08newsreleases/mortality2006.htm The most interesting findings (to me) were declining deaths in all of the following areas: Other declines were observed for chronic lower respiratory diseases (6.5 percent), stroke (6.4 percent), heart disease (5.5 percent), diabetes (5.3 percent), hypertension (5 percent), chronic liver disease and cirrhosis (3.3 percent), suicide (2.8 percent), septicemia or blood poisoning (2.7 percent), cancer (1.6 percent) and accidents (1.5 percent). Heart disease, stroke, diabetes, hyptertension (high blood pressure) are all considered "fat diseases". If it's really true that their is a higher risk of getting and dying from these things, then why, while obesity is increasing, death from so-called obesity related diseases are decresing?
From me:Obesity is also not necessarily a 'lifestyle choice'.
From you:Not saying it is. Just as I don't think anorexia is necessarily a lifestyle choice. Or alcoholism.
Actually, you did say that. In your first post on this subject, you said: and just because anorexics (and particularly bulimics) are very likely to suffer similar problems as obese people doesn't make obesity a healthy lifestyle choice. At least with most of the people I've talked to, when you point out a skinny person that's an idol and have them confront/contemplate the idea of anorexia as a lifestyle choice, skinny is not so appealing anymore.
Your first reply to Pia said: I mean, it really is all someone's choice, and it's fine if they make that decision. While you didn't use the term "lifestyle" in there, by saying it's a choice implies (especially after what you said previously about obesity being a lifestyle choice) that it's a lifestyle.
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Can you show me one study, done with real people and NOT funded by the diet or anti-obesity industries, that shows this? I'll take even one. I can show you at least three that show it does not. Heck, I'll even give you this link from the National Center for Health Statistics (using information given by the Centers for Disease Control) that state that death rates DECREASED. Yes, even in our "obesity epidemic" where all the obese people are slated to die prematurely from "obese related illnesses", well, we're actually living longer as a species. That does mean even the obese people are (because it would really scew the statistics if obese people were dying pretty young). http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/08newsreleases/mortality2006.htm The most interesting findings (to me) were declining deaths in all of the following areas: Other declines were observed for chronic lower respiratory diseases (6.5 percent), stroke (6.4 percent), heart disease (5.5 percent), diabetes (5.3 percent), hypertension (5 percent), chronic liver disease and cirrhosis (3.3 percent), suicide (2.8 percent), septicemia or blood poisoning (2.7 percent), cancer (1.6 percent) and accidents (1.5 percent). Heart disease, stroke, diabetes, hyptertension (high blood pressure) are all considered "fat diseases". If it's really true that their is a higher risk of getting and dying from these things, then why, while obesity is increasing, death from so-called obesity related diseases are decresing?
From me:Obesity is also not necessarily a 'lifestyle choice'.
From you:Not saying it is. Just as I don't think anorexia is necessarily a lifestyle choice. Or alcoholism.
Actually, you did say that. In your first post on this subject, you said:
and just because anorexics (and particularly bulimics) are very likely to suffer similar problems as obese people doesn't make obesity a healthy lifestyle choice. At least with most of the people I've talked to, when you point out a skinny person that's an idol and have them confront/contemplate the idea of anorexia as a lifestyle choice, skinny is not so appealing anymore.
Your first reply to Pia said:
I mean, it really is all someone's choice, and it's fine if they make that decision. While you didn't use the term "lifestyle" in there, by saying it's a choice implies (especially after what you said previously about obesity being a lifestyle choice) that it's a lifestyle.