Pretty sure we cleared up in the above thread that my wording was inconsiderate, horrible, and not what I meant.
Think about this rationally, if things like high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, et al were CAUSED by obesity, then ONLY people who are obese would get these things. I don't think I'd ever argue that obesity caused these things, only that they increased the risk of developing them. And even that is a stretch... having too much fat does not mean high blood pressure, and cholesterol is one of the biggest risk factors for heart disease (even thin people can have extremely high cholesterol).
Obesity is also not necessarily a 'lifestyle choice'. Not saying it is. Just as I don't think anorexia is necessarily a lifestyle choice. Or alcoholism.
Also on the lifestyle comment, do you really think anybody who is obese really wants to be obese? I can't say that every obese person doesn't want to be obese. My father would love to lose weight, my boyfriend, I would... every overweight and obese person I know would love to slim down. Again, my irritation stems from people who are so "comfortable" being obese that they encourage others to become or stay obese, no matter what the medical community (family doctors, surgeons, etc.) has to say.
Do you really think, considering obese people are targeted for all sorts of bigotry and discrimination, that if there was a way to actually, honestly, lose weight and keep it off, they wouldn't take it? I believe they would take it.
Do you really honestly believe that every obese person in the world is just a fat slob, and therefor deserves everything they get (including doctors refusing to treat their real medical issues, and governments calling for such 'radical' measures as having doctors refuse to treat obese people -- which is already happening only not government mandated -- and other governments trying to enact laws that forbid people with a BMI of 25 or more from eating at ANY restaurant)? No way. Actually, I read an article recently about this atrocity... hard to believe.
Oh, and since we're talking about obesity, which obesity are we talking about? I hate the way the BMI works, as it has so many flaws. Biggest one: what about the weight of muscles? I like the waist to hip ratio more, but it has its flaws as well. If we use the latter, I would (loosely - based on a picture in my head) consider obese to be 1.4 in women (healthy considered to be .8). I'm not sure about men, since their waist and hips are a bit different... (healthy is .9 - 1?).
Re: Forgive my harshness
Think about this rationally, if things like high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, et al were CAUSED by obesity, then ONLY people who are obese would get these things.
I don't think I'd ever argue that obesity caused these things, only that they increased the risk of developing them. And even that is a stretch... having too much fat does not mean high blood pressure, and cholesterol is one of the biggest risk factors for heart disease (even thin people can have extremely high cholesterol).
Obesity is also not necessarily a 'lifestyle choice'.
Not saying it is. Just as I don't think anorexia is necessarily a lifestyle choice. Or alcoholism.
Also on the lifestyle comment, do you really think anybody who is obese really wants to be obese?
I can't say that every obese person doesn't want to be obese. My father would love to lose weight, my boyfriend, I would... every overweight and obese person I know would love to slim down. Again, my irritation stems from people who are so "comfortable" being obese that they encourage others to become or stay obese, no matter what the medical community (family doctors, surgeons, etc.) has to say.
Do you really think, considering obese people are targeted for all sorts of bigotry and discrimination, that if there was a way to actually, honestly, lose weight and keep it off, they wouldn't take it?
I believe they would take it.
Do you really honestly believe that every obese person in the world is just a fat slob, and therefor deserves everything they get (including doctors refusing to treat their real medical issues, and governments calling for such 'radical' measures as having doctors refuse to treat obese people -- which is already happening only not government mandated -- and other governments trying to enact laws that forbid people with a BMI of 25 or more from eating at ANY restaurant)?
No way. Actually, I read an article recently about this atrocity... hard to believe.
Oh, and since we're talking about obesity, which obesity are we talking about?
I hate the way the BMI works, as it has so many flaws. Biggest one: what about the weight of muscles? I like the waist to hip ratio more, but it has its flaws as well. If we use the latter, I would (loosely - based on a picture in my head) consider obese to be 1.4 in women (healthy considered to be .8). I'm not sure about men, since their waist and hips are a bit different... (healthy is .9 - 1?).